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RE:New project for the salt

Post by Gisteppo » Thu Jul 16, 2009 8:35 pm

Finally had a day that didn't look too busy, so I got to mock a few things up.

Here is a little better shot of her with cabin sides, a half assed cabin front, and the factory windshield on it:

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As it stands, the windshield top is right at eye level but I am thinking of raising the sole to make her self bailing. Something about fish scales, 3" of blood, and a bilge pump being a bad combination. Can't imagine having a bilge pump be the only means of getting water out being a good idea.

Here is a shot of the sole level mockup, adding 8" to the original height:

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That sets the gunnels at 22" above the sole. It hits me RIGHT above the kneecaps, maybe an inch above at best. I'd like it to be deeper, but it seems like everyone's scuppers are at least 4" above the water level at rest, and I don't want water sloshing around the sole all the time.

Anyone with more input on the height of the sole, its appreciated.

Next Im being nudged around to making a full cabin. Buddy on the lake says hardtop all the way, but I would have to either make the back of the cabin watertight with a door and step down (with the whole draining water to the transom/bilge pump thing under the sole), or make the cabin REALLY tall to get my 6' 3" self inside.

Again, any input is appreciated.

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RE:New project for the salt

Post by G-Man » Thu Jul 16, 2009 10:04 pm

Just my 2 cents but I'd really rethink loosing 8" between the sole and the gunwale. We all tend to lean against the gunwale and the more height you have the less likely you'll be to go swimming unexpectedly, especially during rough conditions. The standard seems to be to place scuppers forward of the cabin, but that won't solve your problem aft. You might think about installing self sealing scuppers that use the same principal as some "dry" snorkels. A ball is used and seals the scupper when water attempts to enter from the outside. I've also seen scuppers on the transom with some sort of one way valve and might be the better option.

I do like the classics and am looking forward to seeing more pics of the process and the finished product. Keep it up!

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RE:New project for the salt

Post by Bodofish » Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:29 am

I concur with Gman 100%. Raise the floor and you're looking to tip over the side. Or put rails all around, not too attractive. Why not put drains in the floor that run into a compartment with a junk pump to keep the yuk out of the bilge. You could even make it a big fish box and pump raw water through it too.
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RE:New project for the salt

Post by hewesfisher » Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:15 pm

Bodofish wrote:I concur with Gman 100%. Raise the floor and you're looking to tip over the side. Or put rails all around, not too attractive. Why not put drains in the floor that run into a compartment with a junk pump to keep the yuk out of the bilge. You could even make it a big fish box and pump raw water through it too.
This is something that has been talked about on the Hewes forum, guys installing macerator and diaphragm pumps to eliminate trying to pump blood, scales, and goo out of the bilge. You might try searching there G, might get some ideas that way. Try searching for posts by ODIN, he made a lot mods to his boat as he was a serious Tuna fisherman, did tourneys and had a team of 4 competing. He's no longer on the forums, but his posts should still be there. :bball:
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RE:New project for the salt

Post by Gisteppo » Fri Jul 17, 2009 5:12 pm

Turns out ODIN is over at the bloodydecks forum and has recently sold the ODIN and bought another boat (now fishing on the F/V Nordic Sun). I will definitely have to pimp him on his setup. I would probably be able to do the sole at the current position (which is actually at or below water level) but fish boxes and fuel storage become an issue. Saddle tanks maybe?


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RE:New project for the salt

Post by Gisteppo » Mon Jul 20, 2009 9:03 pm

Alright here is the current state of affairs, deciding on what to do up top.

An old friend here in Spokane that fished Neah and Westport for 40 years was pushing me pretty hard to go with a full cabin enclosure, leaving the aft door off and closing it with canvas. It leaves me with a non-self-bailing deck, but using 4 bilge pumps (more on that later) I think having the cockpit be 30" deep might be pretty nice.

Here are the two options:

Aft slanted windshield...

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Forward slanted windshield...

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Opinions?

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RE:New project for the salt

Post by Drumdog » Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:06 am

I'm no boat building expert, but if you want opinions....
I like the forward slant windshield.
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RE:New project for the salt

Post by hewesfisher » Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:10 pm

Drumdog wrote:I'm no boat building expert, but if you want opinions....
I like the forward slant windshield.
I agree.
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RE:New project for the salt

Post by Marc Martyn » Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:00 pm

Forward also:thumright

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RE:New project for the salt

Post by Rollin with Rolland » Fri Jul 24, 2009 9:05 pm

Looking great Gisteppo....

I'm jealous. Some day I will start my own boat. Yes, the forward slanting windshield is definitely badass. But I'm sure practical design is more important than looks. It looks cool, but what are the performance differences??? Any?? If none, go with it....:cheers:
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RE:New project for the salt

Post by Gisteppo » Sun Jul 26, 2009 1:14 pm

The forward slant is called a West Coast windshield. We tend to have a few things here that are particularly burdensome for boats that this tries to mitigate. East coasters have either rain or no rain, where we have that persistent drizzle. That drizzle clings to a standard windshield worse than the overhanging WC style windshield. That, coupled with our more swell oriented ocean (they typically have bigger chop, smaller swells, we have larger swells and smaller chop) makes a water shedding windshield the ideal.

Second issue is the storage of our now-abundant electronics. Standard windshields harbor a big dashboard and cluttered console area. Having the forward cant allows you to hang things like radios, radar screens, and other electronics in an area thats visible but out of the way.

So far, its looking like full cabin, forward slanted 3 panel glass.

Still trying to iron out the self-bailing deck v. pumps issue now....

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RE:New project for the salt

Post by Marc Martyn » Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:25 pm

Forward (West Coast) because it looks like it has a bridge....... "OohRah!"
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RE:New project for the salt

Post by Lotech Joe » Sun Jul 26, 2009 5:32 pm

When I was in the Army (66-69) I was an Air Traffic Contoller. Most, if not all, of the tower windows were built with that same forward orientation. There was no refracted sunlight entering the tower with the windows slanted that way. I like the way they look.
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RE:New project for the salt

Post by Gisteppo » Sun Jul 26, 2009 8:28 pm

Well gents, Im sold.

Forward slant it is...

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RE:New project for the salt

Post by A9 » Sun Jul 26, 2009 9:07 pm

Good choice. I like the forward slant pilothouse look.


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RE:New project for the salt

Post by Mike Carey » Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:13 pm

It's a Classic for sure.
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RE:New project for the salt

Post by Gisteppo » Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:04 pm

Well the prototyping is done for the exterior...

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You can read about a rapid prototyping technique at the website:

http://www.amateurboatbuilding.com/CloudCap/

Progress will continue until halibut season!

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RE:New project for the salt

Post by flippinfool » Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:14 am

Gisteppo wrote:Well the prototyping is done for the exterior...

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You can read about a rapid prototyping technique at the website:

http://www.amateurboatbuilding.com/CloudCap/

Progress will continue until halibut season!

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Very very nice work Gist.I checked out that site also.You have made lots on progress the reward is near!:cheers:
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RE:New project for the salt

Post by Mike Carey » Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:20 am

very nice, do you have a space heater for the garage to keep warm through the winter?
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RE:New project for the salt

Post by Gisteppo » Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:30 am

Not yet Mike, but soon. I think Im going to get a wood fireplace for it, as you tend to collect a fair amount of fuel in this line of work.

Im taking a beating on a boat building forum over the shape of the cabin. You guys think its ugly?

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