Community break in camera crew

[natetreat]

I propose that we all get together and invest in security cameras for our fishing spots that are prone to break ins. We will form a group, and post signs informing tweakers of the fact that they are being filmed, and when a break-in does occur, we'll have a phone number for the person in charge of a given camera o find the license plate of the criminal so that we can put them in jail. If we get enough cameras up we can create break in free fishing spots. We can vote and propose locations, such as reiter and sultan, or sooes creek and the ben howard area etc. Game cameras are fairly inexpensive and that way we can all fish knowing that our cars are safe, or at least we can get the tweakers off the streets.

I'm looking for volunteers to participate. If we all either go in on a camera together for our favorite fishing spots for cameras, we'll be able to cover a lot of areas that are prone to break ins. To get things started, I will deduct and financial contribution made to the effort from the cost of any trip that you book with me.

Participating volunteers:

Nate Treat Fishing
mizm05
The Nuts

[mizm05]

I know 2 spots on the Hump that I would contribute toward. You know the spots I'm thinking of Nate.

Haven't fished the Sky just yet, but I will be over the next couple months or so. Let's get one or two put up at the Sultan boat launch.

We'll need to discuss the exact camera locations in private obviously, but I'm game. I assume they aren't wireless in any way? You have to manually go check the camera and download the images onto a flash drive or SD card?

LOL...sign should read something like "Thinking about breaking into a car? Smile! You're on camera!"

[natetreat]

Exactly. There will be a phone number to call for the police or the victim on the sign so that we can download the footage for the cops. We should padlock the signs or something so the vandals cannot remove them. I think we should all get together for a club meeting when we drum up enough members and vote and organize our locations. We'll put a list at the bottom of the post. Admins, could you make this post a sticky?

[drysuperfly52]

i am all for it but first we should contact the sherrif or game wardons to see if they would even follow up on it or take action.? I have given officers correct plates and home addrress before and nothing has ever come of it. my shotgun is still missing. (and it was a gun that was stolen not a broken window and a fishing pole). i would be a drag to get this all set up and working then find out it was all for nothing.

[Hepker]

you might also think of putting up some dummy cameras just to give the appearance of active surveillance. sometimes all you need is the smallest deterrent to prevent a crime. or rotate your live vs dummy cameras around so that the tweakers dont know where they are being recorded

[Weekend-warrior17]

All for The effort! Wondering whats stopping the thieves from just walking up ( not driving) to your vehicle and busting your windows and taking your belongings? Without them driving up to your vehicle to steal your stuff ( Showing there license plate) it'd be hard to get information to track them down.. Just a thought. Nobody's gonna drive up to or around the place there trying to vandalize if they see signs that say smile your on camera,.. criminals aren't deer most are a little smarter about there ways and are gonna find a way around it.. It's how they make there living.

Like the idea though of confirming that law enforcement will take it seriously. Hope to see something be done down here in south puget too! (:

[hewesbob]

The only time I fish Western Washington is on my friends charter boat in Westport, other than that I fish all of Eastern Washington about 140-200 days per year. The only thing I have ever lost are two poles with reels taken from my open portion of my boat while parked overnight at a motel in Moses Lake. And that was my fault for not taking better care of my gear. They didn't bother the other 15 rod/reels or several tackle boxes that were in the cabin of the boat. It sounds like you guys have a horrible situation on the West side. The first fact is that lowlife scum will keep stealing even after they are caught, feed, bathed, and released. The second fact is most of your fishing gear and car windows don't mean a rats ass to most cops because they are tired of taking people in a watching them walk right back out because of jail over crowding. One idea that I think would be fun is take turns fishing, one or two hang out in the parking area with canned air fog horns and paint ball guns. You see some thing happen legally shoot the person with paint so he could be identified, then blow the horn. When you are fishing and hear a horn blow just drop your gear and head for the fun. It seem terrible that things have gotten that bad on your side of the state but the truth is that it is a group of fishermen against a group of scum of the earth and the law is not going to help you

[gonnahookit]

You see some thing happen legally shoot the person with paint so he could be identified, then blow the horn.

And then you might get a trip to jail for assault. Yes, it is that bad over here, and yes, if you shoot someone with a paintball rifle/pistol and you are not in a paintball "arena" or they are unwilling to participate in said paintballing, it is assault and you can go to jail. Especially in Snohomish/King/Pierce counties.

it's beyond the point where criminals have more rights and protection than the law abiding citizens do.

Like the idiot a few years ago that locked himself in a homeowners garage that he was burglarizing and survived on nothing but dog food for several days until the homeowners came home from vacation. Cant remember the exact charges, but the homeowners were brought before the judge because the scumbag sued them. And he won.

[Mike Carey]

I appreciate your wanting to be pro-active and try to make a difference on this Nate. A couple concerns pop into my head though. First and foremost, will the owners of the various properties even allow cameras and/or signs to be placed?
I would start off slow with this idea, say pick one or two spots, find out who owns the access and present your idea to them.
Not trying to put a damper on your idea, I just know there would be hoops to jump through before buying cameras and making signs and placing them.

[natetreat]

I've sent in emails to locl enforcement and WDFW to try and figure out what is the best way to approach this. I think that property owners would be grateful for any security that we could provide. The majority of the access sites that we use are public land, so they belong to all of us. There are other organizations the are made to keep our outdoor areas crime free, like Eyes in the Woods. There are community organizations like the neighborhood watch that do things similar to this sort of thing. If it's not cameras, there has to be something that we can do to catch thieves.

[fear_no_fish]

Nate I like the idea, big ups to you for stepping up and putting something in motion.
One place of needed attention would be the parking spot along the tracks to the mouth of the wallace. Where you cross the bridge at the startup market and drive down Reese road. I've talked to one of the home owners there and they are plenty sick of their houses being robbed along with the car break ins. I bet the guy who lives right on the corner with the dogs would love to help out with a camera setup.

[natetreat]

I don't ever park in that area, or the highway side of Reiter for that reason. Nor do I park at the Cracker Bar side of Sultan. I drift to Monroe, rather than Ben Howard because that ramp has twice as many breakins. I did run into enforcement at reiter the other day, handing out tickets for no licenses etc. Kudos to WDFW for sending out the man power to keep the river clean of deadbeats.

[Idstud]

I like the idea of where this is going and have some thoughts. I work with several different construction sites and some way off the beaten path. They set up security cameras on there job sights that record to an off site location. I dont know how it all works but Im sure if we contact the local areas and have volunteers to monitor the system they would be game. I think it would bring in more people and be good for the area for business. Which would be a good sell point.

[dustinchromers]

was anything missing from your rig Nate?

[natetreat]

No, they just vandalized it and my trailer. I'm pretty sure that it was one of the trolls that often frequent the boards that hate me. I just tried to follow up on the case, and the polices had no record of the case in their system. I had to file a report all over again. Cops don't care about this stuff, they only care if you're speeding in a school zone. If we do this, we will have to do all the leg work for the police, collecting all the information and basically hand them the case on a silver platter, because they refuse to deal with break-ins. We need to find a way to stop this stuff. Every time we see someone casing the parking lot, we need to call it in.

[dustinchromers]

why would people hate you? so you don't think they were trying to steal it? sounds like someone sending a message. id think real hard at who my enemies are and examine my own behavior, you might stumble on a clue.

[The Quadfather]

Interesting thread this is.....
I just posted a thread requesting information on a quality telephoto lens recommendation. Although my interests are birds and elk, etc. It might be kind of fun "Training" to hold up in a bush, and video or still shoot via the telephoto, some dirt bags and their licenses. I'm talking about something that shows the pimples on a bird at a couple hundred yards.

[MarkFromSea]

why would people hate you? so you don't think they were trying to steal it? sounds like someone sending a message. id think real hard at who my enemies are and examine my own behavior, you might stumble on a clue.

There is a minority of people who think that where they fish is their own private fishing hole. They resent people who share information freely, specifically "location". They resent having other people catching "their" fish out of "their" fishing spot. They are twisted and evil. The criminals destroy others' property thinking that the "trespasser" deserves it.

Why people like this are on fishing websites is beyond me. These sites are where we go to learn and to share knowledge and experiences.

Nate has been one of the most consistent information contributors on this site. From carp to kings, if it swims and is available from the shoreline, Nate has always helped others who are learning. By sharing locations, he's sort of put a target on his back from this inbred minority.

[jonb]

I've seen hate videos on YouTube about Nate treat, yes he has trolls that despise him, which is ridiculous
. Its fishing its supposed to be fun...
another idea is maybe have a club of people who takes turns physically patrolling parking lots for the day. Similiar to neighborhood watch. Maybe said club could have a fundraiser and pay participants for their help, even if it's only a little bit as an incentive. It would be more effective than relying on police.

[Idstud]

Part of the problem as well for Natetreat being a guide puts some people in a bad mood. They dont see it as someone making a living or putting people into fish for the first time. They look at guides as commercializing there fishing holes and raping the system. I have heard people say this while I was on a river or lake and things I cant say. If you say anything positive they push you out of your spot. I know there are some Big charters that ruin it for others with there bad attitudes. On the camera crew I know most of us have a phone with a camera and if you see someone that looks like they dont belong you should snap a picture of them and say hi. Once you talk to them it lets them know that you have seen them and there not invisible anymore.