Northwest Fishing Reports

Just wanted to pass this on to any anglers that don't belong to the CCA. The Gov. and Senator Ranker who heads up the Natural resources committee has introduced a bill to merge the two organizations. This bill if passed would do away with the Fish and wildlife commission by making it advisary only which would give the commercial fisherman in Washington free reign to control the fisheries thru the power of lobbiest money and coruption. You can go to the www.ccapnw.org website and click on the action alert. If you then fill in the information a letter will be generated to your Represetatives and senators opposing this measure.

thanks for the info and already posted a link here with not much help or reply

http://www.washingtonlakes.com/forum/ya ... filed.aspx

I don't want to be told what I should do with out information. That to me is politics. I know it is late, but for others who may feel the way here are the bills.

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To let them know how you feel

Thanks for posting the bills Toni.........

The thing is you need more information than just the Bill. You need to know what the DNR has done in the past and who they represent. they are 100% commercial oriented and supported. What do you think that will do to our fishing opportunities?

scott080379 wrote:Thanks for posting the bills Toni.........

The thing is you need more information than just the Bill. You need to know what the DNR has done in the past and who they represent. they are 100% commercial oriented and supported. What do you think that will do to our fishing opportunities?

Where is a link to that information?
See you are then telling me without giving the information for me to decide. No links to news article or any type of information. You are telling me what to do. To me that is politics.
Now I went and read a portion of these bills and can see that what they are proposing in just trying to implement it will cause one sided interest. I also believe that this reorganization will not have the desired results in saving money. That is "in my opinion."

I also added a link to where someone who desires to take action, can.


Edit: I guess I want to be fully informed.

Yes, the Kitsap boys have risen to the occasion once again. I believe if the rest of state knew what the impact could be if this bill passes they too would oppose it. My fishing club, as well as many others, works hand in hand with WDFW to be good stewards of our fishing resources. This bill would make it even harder for us (recreational fisherman) to have a say and make a difference. 2.5 million in savings as is proposed is a relatively small amount, so I'm left to wonder about the true motives behind this bill. The commercial fishing interests are well represented and funded in their lobbying efforts, we are not. As a former commercial fisherman I can tell you we recreational fisherman are ill prepared for a power struggle.

I also think it is important to look at what the Commission has done in the past. They have proven to be people who will listen to all sides of an issue, have taken the time to come to the public meetings, have tried to follow best science to help recover the resources, and I think they have balanced opportunity between the different user groups. They have also taken the Department to task on a couple of occassions for not listening to the public or for taking what they felt was a misguided approach.

I have personally been able to talk to at least two of them at public meetings and felt they genuinely listened to my view and ideas.

I think they deserve our continued support, and I think making them an advisory only commission would hurt the resource itself, not to mention fishing opportunity as has been mentioned by others.

Very well put TomD. The Commission has been a voice in part for us. They definately deserve our continued support.

Toni wrote:

scott080379 wrote:Thanks for posting the bills Toni.........

The thing is you need more information than just the Bill. You need to know what the DNR has done in the past and who they represent. they are 100% commercial oriented and supported. What do you think that will do to our fishing opportunities?

Where is a link to that information?
See you are then telling me without giving the information for me to decide. No links to news article or any type of information. You are telling me what to do. To me that is politics.
Now I went and read a portion of these bills and can see that what they are proposing in just trying to implement it will cause one sided interest. I also believe that this reorganization will not have the desired results in saving money. That is "in my opinion."

I also added a link to where someone who desires to take action, can.


Edit: I guess I want to be fully informed.

To be truly informed..........you need to go to OLY. or where ever public opinion or commission meetings are held..........You don't want to be told...........You want first hand information then get involved ................News links......there aren't any...............the news has decided that this is not worthy I guess..................

Toni wrote:I don't want to be told what I should do with out information. That to me is politics. I know it is late, but for others who may feel the way here are the bills.

5669


1850



To let them know how you feel

Headed out of here to check this out for myself as well. When did this get proposed? I just heard about it on here, yesterday?

Seems the post on BD showed up on the fishing rights board a week or so ago.............click the link on the other thread here on the web requests thing.............It was there as soon as the meeting was called..............That is what a fishing rights section does for anglers



OK I did the work.......came out on the 4th.................... http://www.bloodydecks.com/forums/washi ... filed.html

Toni wrote:

scott080379 wrote:Thanks for posting the bills Toni.........

The thing is you need more information than just the Bill. You need to know what the DNR has done in the past and who they represent. they are 100% commercial oriented and supported. What do you think that will do to our fishing opportunities?

Where is a link to that information?
See you are then telling me without giving the information for me to decide. No links to news article or any type of information. You are telling me what to do. To me that is politics.
Now I went and read a portion of these bills and can see that what they are proposing in just trying to implement it will cause one sided interest. I also believe that this reorganization will not have the desired results in saving money. That is "in my opinion."

I also added a link to where someone who desires to take action, can.


Edit: I guess I want to be fully informed.

Toni I wish I had all the answers for you I really wish I did, but as troy posted, you need to go to these meetings to fully understand what is at hand and stake in all of this.

Do you really think that there are going to be news articals on this stuff, no one cares enough to write about it. Even so, how much BS info is thrown on to web pages these days with false info. I am not going to type out every little thing I know or have heard. I don't get paid to write blogs but maybe I should start writing a blog on this stuff. Go to the meetings and post word for word what was said by all parties involved. Would you believe it than or would that be enough for you to make a decision? Sparky made a couple of good points and as he stated he was a commercial fisherman.

If I understood what they wrote, combining 3 agencies into one. This is pretty huge depending on the structure of the org, the checks and balances within the org. This could be real bad for outdoorsmen, fishers need to lock elbows with hunters on this issue to ensure our recreational opportunities are not reduced further. Historically, when F&G became F&W, they lost focus of us sportsmen. They had to apease the bird watchers and such. Fish and Game dollars were used through out the state for non hunting and fishing activities, note nature trail on Dodson Road and many others like it. Those were our fish dollars spent on birds we couldn't shoot. This merger of departments, parks..... notice the trend that exists today in parks, pulling parking back further from the waters edge, reducing parking, making it more multi use in a smaller space, think of your Fish and Game boat ramps. Imagine if you will, losing those due to the parks engulfing them into their system, cutting them in half to "restore" the shoreline, and cutting the parking another half to throw in picnic tables into an already crowded boat ramp for that multi use feature, essentially eliminating forever decent parking at area lakes, west and east side! Look how Issaquah or Sammamish screwed up Pine Lake boat ramp. If this happens, we will lose Kenmore boat ramp to a park of somesort. The cities will be happy to see that the last free boat ramp with a parking lot on Lake Washington is gone. Take a look around the areas that you fish, your boat ramps, your hunting areas that may still have a Fish and Game sign at it, remember some F&G areas that became areas that hunting is no longer allowed since fish and wildlife took over, Seep Lakes comes to mind, I used to camp all over out there, not allowed now. Forced into a pay campsite. This could strip our usage quite a bit over the next decade. Please don't allow this merger to go forward as it is written/sumarized. As hunters and fishers we are a minority in this state, it's going to depend on loud voices.

Meeting is in Olympia, thursday, 1:30, I couldn't find the address on such short notice. I have a job, no heat, in the morn then if time allows a drive to Oly!

MarkFromSea wrote:Meeting is in Olympia, thursday, 1:30, I couldn't find the address on such short notice. I have a job, no heat, in the morn then if time allows a drive to Oly!

Sorry Mark I posted it on the other thread.

scott080379 wrote:

Toni wrote:

scott080379 wrote:Thanks for posting the bills Toni.........

The thing is you need more information than just the Bill. You need to know what the DNR has done in the past and who they represent. they are 100% commercial oriented and supported. What do you think that will do to our fishing opportunities?

Where is a link to that information?
See you are then telling me without giving the information for me to decide. No links to news article or any type of information. You are telling me what to do. To me that is politics.
Now I went and read a portion of these bills and can see that what they are proposing in just trying to implement it will cause one sided interest. I also believe that this reorganization will not have the desired results in saving money. That is "in my opinion."

I also added a link to where someone who desires to take action, can.


Edit: I guess I want to be fully informed.

Toni I wish I had all the answers for you I really wish I did, but as troy posted, you need to go to these meetings to fully understand what is at hand and stake in all of this.

Do you really think that there are going to be news articals on this stuff, no one cares enough to write about it. Even so, how much BS info is thrown on to web pages these days with false info. I am not going to type out every little thing I know or have heard. I don't get paid to write blogs but maybe I should start writing a blog on this stuff. Go to the meetings and post word for word what was said by all parties involved. Would you believe it than or would that be enough for you to make a decision? Sparky made a couple of good points and as he stated he was a commercial fisherman.

Scott I got to agree with Sparky............for 25 yrs. as you know I commercial fished and ran charter boats.....................Organization and support of each other, is the advantage commercial fishermen enjoy today.


Today I am happy to just be charter fishing..............til they make it such a short season no one will bother.

FYI I've been in contact with State Senator, Phil Rockefeller for the last few days. While he is focused on the task of budget reduction he is listening to the voices of the recreational fisherman. We have exchanged several long emails discussing the two bills, thier intent and possible impact. The public hearing today will give me a better idea of what's going on and who is involved pro and con. I'm hoping to attend and testify, I'll let you all know what happens.

Sparky you seem to have it straight and as far as Toni's It's polotics she's right also and unfortunatly it was polotics that destroyed the fish and its polotics which have to save it. The issue is spelled out on the CCA voter voice as this merger will neuter the commission which bodes well for the commercial interest. A little fact most sportsman are not aware of is that a lobbiest by the name of Ed Owens represents about 86 sportsmans groups in WA. state. Here is the kicker most of those groups don't know that Ed also is the lobbiest for the commercial fsherman in WA. There are some people in charge of the Hunters heritage council and Safari club int. that are good buddies with Ed and keep that very well hidden. Last night I recieved the E-mail Ed sent out to those sportsmans groups and it was titled (For Your Information) not excactly urgent or anything to worry about. So you can see ole Ed is playing this merger down to the hunter groups keepin it real low key as not to stir up the hornets like the last time they tried to get rid of the commission. if anyone has questions please feel free to contact me and I will try to answer as best I can for the most part sounds like most of us get it. 206-290-4316 Mike Carter also sorry for giving the wrong bill no# I was in a hurry

For those whom are really interested. The hearing will be carried live on TVW (Comcast Cable) or pick up a live webcast off the TVW website. The Senate Natural Resourses and Marine Waters Committee @ 1:30pm. If you want to informed with whats actually happening tune in.