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RE:Just a few tackle topics

Post by kevinb » Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:51 pm

PDXFisher wrote:
kevinb wrote:No BS,every fish I've caught has been on Rapala Magnums and Husky Jerks. Its only been recently that I opened up my "arsenal" and bought bucktails or anything else.
Well, if I can make it up for the Chapter 57 meeting, I'll bring my big Flambeau box (and a few Planos) so you can "window shop" a little. Unless we hit Tapps beforehand ]

Sounds like you have alot of knowledge of the fishery. We need to get you up here ASAP.

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RE:Just a few tackle topics

Post by kevinb » Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:07 am

Sportmans Warehouse is still having a sale on Creek Chub's Wood Pikies for $9.00. I just picked up a few....but did I really need more?:-$

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RE:Just a few tackle topics

Post by Deadeyemark » Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:14 pm

I firmly believe that you need every lure ever made. If you get a strike on a certain lure. Buy three next time you're at the store.
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RE:Just a few tackle topics

Post by ProAngler'sDaughter » Thu May 01, 2008 4:57 pm

Bucktails of any variety will catch you a fish. They happen to catch more muskie than all other lures combined. What are the reasons? First, they are the most used lure. The key factor, however, is that they can be worked faster when you have agressive muskies that are hitting. Additionally, they allow for the ability to cover much more water more quickly. The problem comes down to which one to use. As most serious anglers know there are literally hundreds of different ones, in all sizes, colors, blade types, weights, hook arrangements and hook dressings. Brand names such as Mepps, Eagle Tail, Wishin Lures, Llungen Tales are those bucktails that have consistently caught the muskies. Spinner baits have also been popular, which adds Fudally Tackle to the list. The key reason that bucktails have been such a success story is their versatility. When you consider the different blade shapes, weights and colors (materials), it give undefined flexibility in selecting the combination that can adapt to any muskie angling situation. In short, blades are the single factor in the selection of which bucktail to use. The Colorado blade creates "lift" and is the blade of choice when the angler wishes to keep his bucktail close to the surface. It is especially effective for use of the technique called "bulging," which means keeping it just under the surface without breaking, and creating a rise or "bulge" in the water behind the lure. Willow leaf blades are used more for obtaining depth during the retrieve. The blade thickness will add to or subtract from depth. The fluted "Indiana" blades run a medium depth, as do French blades, made popular by Mepps. The most productive bucktail blade in history has been the "fluted" Indiana blade. It has produced more muskies over 50 pounds than all of the rest combined! Tests have shown this style blade to create the most "noise" under water of all the blade types. It's the blade that seems to call in and fool the muskie. Bucktail dressings are a matter of angler choice, and that includes the color.

Bucktail hooks are a different matter. As with the blades, the hooks are "tools." The majority of bucktails are offered with one or two treble hooks of different sizes and styles (manufacturer). Some are offered with only single hooks, such as Wishin Lures Weedless Bucktail (www.wishin-lures.com) and the Eagle Tail. This lure has apparently has accounted for more muskies over 50 inches in the 33 year history of the Muskie's, Inc. members only fishing contest than any other bucktail or lure of any type for that matter.
The success of the Eagle Tail (single hook) seems to speak for itself.

Another keen lure is the Wisher Weedless Bucktail from Wishin Lures, which is my dad's favorite. He never leaves the dock without a good assortment. The Wisher Weedless Bucktail was specifically designed to be used in weedy situations but they do work equally well in open water. It has a light build to help it stay "up" in the water. The most important aspect of it is its weighted shank-forged single hook. The weight causes the hook to ride thru the water tilted down and back with the hook point protected by the shank and tilted away from trouble. It will glide through all but the thickest milfoil and remains weed free most of the time. Not only does it do a good job of bringing the fish in, it is a tremendous hooker. Very seldom is a strike missed, and when they get hooked, they don't get free (until you want them to, that is). The fish just can't throw it. My pops says it's because the weight is working against them and keeping the hook buried. The biggest, and perhaps only, drawback of these bucktails is that their light weight makes them more difficult to cast against the wind. Their new model, the “Ramsell Spin” has a weighted shaft, and works well in the wind. :) In fishing environments where there are no weeds or obstructions, single hooks aren't totally necessary. However, some anglers feel that treble hooks often work against them in the hooking process. Either way, there are thousands of muskies caught annually
However, in situations where the water is free from weeds or other obstructions, I don't feel that single hooks are a total necessity, but there are many anglers who feel that treble hooks often work against themselves in the hooking process. Either way, there are thousands caught annually on treble-hook bucktails!!! :fish:
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RE:Just a few tackle topics

Post by PDXFisher » Thu May 01, 2008 5:17 pm

I'm perfectly capable of missing a fish on any lure. I had a bunch get off with trebles, and the only one that hit on a single (Lily Tail) I didn't hook, either.

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Post by ProAngler'sDaughter » Fri May 02, 2008 1:50 pm

Sounds like any one of us, PDXFisher! That's the thrill of the hunt! :fish: Tammy

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Post by Rosann G » Fri May 02, 2008 3:48 pm

Glad to see you on the forum Tammy and it sounds like some good info too. Welcome to Washington Muskie talk.
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RE:Just a few tackle topics

Post by kevinb » Sun May 04, 2008 8:17 am

Deadeyemark wrote:I firmly believe that you need every lure ever made. If you get a strike on a certain lure. Buy three next time you're at the store.
I'm going broke. I bought more Magnums and ordered more wooden pikies from Creek Chub. Thanks for letting me know theirs a smaller version. I looked everywhere with no luck. I got online,BOOM,found 'em and bought 'em.
If anyone is interested,heres the website http://www.lurenet.com/catalog.aspx?cat ... intedPikie

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RE:Just a few tackle topics

Post by PDXFisher » Sun May 04, 2008 5:01 pm

What's with you and the creek chubs? Branch out, man!

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RE:Just a few tackle topics

Post by kevinb » Sun May 04, 2008 9:39 pm

PDXFisher wrote:What's with you and the creek chubs? Branch out, man!
Are you being funny or insulting?

I may approach tigers wrong,I fish them the same as pike. I've used nothing but crankbaits and have had success. I've only started using bucktails in the last 6 months. I am open for any tips but have found that most people are not eager to help. Maybe its an ego thing. I just stick to what has worked in the past.

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RE:Just a few tackle topics

Post by PDXFisher » Sun May 04, 2008 11:22 pm

kevinb wrote:
PDXFisher wrote:What's with you and the creek chubs? Branch out, man!
Are you being funny or insulting?

I may approach tigers wrong,I fish them the same as pike. I've used nothing but crankbaits and have had success. I've only started using bucktails in the last 6 months. I am open for any tips but have found that most people are not eager to help. Maybe its an ego thing. I just stick to what has worked in the past.
Funny or insulting...hmm...I'd say the attitude I felt when I typed was more of the "eager to help" variety you refer to than anything else. I just got here. I didn't know you wanted suggestions, didn't know no one would help you, didn't really know you needed help. Is there big prize money involved or something? Why won't anybody offer suggestions? Muskies Inc is sorta in a weird position. They try to promote muskie fishing...but they're fisherpeople, which means they're a secretive lot. To truly promote, they have to get people interested. The easiest way to get someone interested is to get them into a fish. The easiest way to get them into a fish is give up the "secrets". So which is it gonna be? It's a tightrope walk.

Here's where I try to help, you can take it or leave it.

Some people are really into certain baits. There's one guy on the fishingminnesota forum that has like 30 Double Cowgirls. That's just silly. There isn't much reason to have a ton of the same bait. Some people are really into colors because some fish seem to be really into colors (like Walleyes and Bass, I hear). I think, with muskies, color is pretty far down on the list. Action, size/profile, weather, retrieve speed, water temperature, and depth are all probably more important than color in producing strikes most of the time, especially on somewhat stained water like Tapps. If you have three colors of one bait, that's probably enough. Light, dark, and one the color of the forage if it's somewhere in the middle, like a yellow/chartresuse. On Merwin, I mostly use sucker colors, since that's what the forage is. That doesn't mean I haven't caught them on a Perch colored crank, though, and there's no perch in there that I'm aware of. As a general rule of thumb, the less visibility, the more bold and vibrant the color/flash. In clearer water, the more muted and realistic you want to be.

If' you're only going to throw one thing, for most people it's a bucktail. All the muskies I landed in Minnesota last year were on a Double Showgirl. Most of them were caught on Silver/Nickel, a couple on a Red/Red (which also got me one on Tapps). My GF's brother caught a 48" on the Red/Red and didn't take it off his line for three days (he didn't catch another, though). I've seen old timers go out on Lake Minnetonka with nothing but Vibrax Musky Buck 5/6 in three colors and a few Windels Harrassers.

For tigers so far, I think the easiest way to make sure you catch one is to troll a crank. Trolling is boring and if I did nothing but troll I'd probably not fish very often, but it sure works in Washington. Your Magnums work for you, apparently, and only you can determine what the criteria for "works" is. My father used Magnums quite a bit on Merwin and never got a bite. He put on a jointed crank and finally caught one. I thought you might use the Chubs because it's about the only muskie bait sportsman's warehouse carries, but it seems like you're buying them online, where there's all sorts of wonderful baits to choose from that could expand your arsenal in a more advantageous way than another Chub. I could certainly PM you a list if you like.

I'm no expert or muskie master, I'm just obsessed with the stupid fish and have been for a few years now. I read everything I can and buy lots of DVDs. I'm booksmart and relatively experience dumb, but I'll share what I think I know with my NWTigerPac homeys as I want them to succeed.

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RE:Just a few tackle topics

Post by Deadeyemark » Sun May 04, 2008 11:25 pm

ProAngler'sDaughter,
Darn good info you're passing along there. You must have paid attention to the ol man, LOL.

I do have to put in a good comment here for Ducktail Lures. They also make a weedless jerkbait that REALLY does work. I've worked it through plenty of cabbage and it comes out clean most of the time. They also make a weedless bucktail and their standard spinnerbait is the most weedless available. The jerks and bucktails can be bought either weedless or standard. Check out their site: http://ducktaillures.com/
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RE:Just a few tackle topics

Post by kevinb » Sun May 04, 2008 11:33 pm

The info is much appreciated. I read and watch muskie/pike media forums 24/7 but often wonder if it helps as much as I would like it too in the fact that is all generated from the mid-west. I wonder at times if I can apply the same knowledge to northwest lakes.

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RE:Just a few tackle topics

Post by ProAngler'sDaughter » Mon May 05, 2008 4:35 pm

Rosann--why thank you...and thank you for directing me to the right place!

Deadeyemark, thanks to you too. I did some listening, a lot of watching and when all else failed, I referred to his expert written work. :fish: Now it's my turn to show him. I don't think he's got a "tiger" yet, but I could be wrong. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if I am, but wishful thinking doesn't hurt.

Glad for all of the good information to be found here. Thanks to all! :fish:

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RE:Just a few tackle topics

Post by KUP » Tue May 06, 2008 8:53 pm

I think the Chapter is really helpful, they are always telling folks what works and how to fling 'em.
I have learned a lot. Matter of fact, when Deadeye runs the tourneys, he ALWAYS has the top 3 winners say what they used and usually we gotta show ‘em, too! LOL
Unlike the mid-west, where really big purses (like boats!) have made anglers a little gun shy about sharing, I have found that
that is just the opposite here.
If they wanted to keep it secret, they sure would not have formed a Chapter. Woo Hoo!:cheers: :cheers:

I like it cause its good old fashion fun and camaraderie. Can't wait fir the Curlew Tournament and camp out!!
...the next best thing to catching a muskie? Sitting around the campfire with a bunch of esox enthusiasts and swapping big (and little) stories.

Is it true that the men have to cook for the women anglers on this trip? :-"
I am almost sure I saw that in the rules .... somewhere...
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RE:Just a few tackle topics

Post by kevinb » Tue May 06, 2008 10:39 pm

I can TRY to cook at Curlew. If you don't mind raw or burned food:-$
I'm always up for good stories...might have to throw in a couple walleye tales:cheers:

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