Skok

[c_saeteurn]

I already purchased my license, paid the fees to have my opportunity to fish, hunt whatever. now they want an extra charge. This is public land. I can see how they can charge and gate fee for "parking and camping access" at hunter farms, but charging people on other sections of the river is ------- --------. Greedy --- -------. no better than the politicians in Olympia and D.C.

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[bcustom1]

On another note, would anyone be willing to share something with me? I have fished the skok a couple of times, but how do you get down to the mouth? My friend will be trying it Monday or Tuesday morning. Thanks!

[king killer]

I think you can just park at Purdy Cut Off RD. and walk down from there. If your fishing outside the mouth what would you use ? Would Herring Wobblers or eggs work ?

[FishBaitThe2nd]

People at the mouth love to use bobber and eggs. You can park right on the side of the road in the usual spots that people fish. I hope your friend is using a trout rod, cause salmon aint open.

[obryan214]

Just playing devil's advocate here, but why should we follow wdfw rules/laws if they are not serving our best interest? This is just a philosophical question, not a call for or encouragement for anyone to actually break the rules/laws. Americans have a long history of leveraging civil disobedience as a means of driving conflict and change. At what point does the wdfw become akin to the British Crown in colonial times for us sporties? Collecting our taxes (license fees) only to enrich themselves and serve other’s interests. When do we free ourselves from their yoke? May not be the best analogy but I think the point’s made.
Personally I’m pretty happy with how wdfw manages the trout/kokanee side of things.
When it comes to salmon/steelhead they just rob us plain and simple and hand over their ill-gotten gains (fish our money bought) to the commercials and tribes. It will take legal action or civil disobedience on a massive scale before anything changes. There’s too much money for this to change just because it’s the right thing to do, money will always win over morals and ethics at this scale….always. So force will be necessary. The only questions that remain are: what kind of force or forces are to be employed and if/when will critical mass be reached to enable their employment?
Force doesn’t mean physical violence either. I’m not killing or hurting anyone over fish. I simply believe if sporties are the major source of the funds that support these fisheries then we should receive the major share of them. Let commercials and tribes net the fish they fund. If that’s not happening we have a legitimate grievance that needs to be redressed one way or the other.

well said, perhaps all of us flooding they're meetings and massive amounts of emails.
I used to fish in the river but gave it up a few years ago to fish from the boat out in the canal trolling and jigging near the mouth. done well but lose alot to the seals.

[natetreat]

People at the mouth love to use bobber and eggs. You can park right on the side of the road in the usual spots that people fish. I hope your friend is using a trout rod, cause salmon aint open.

They are in the salt. Fishing hood canal outside the mouth of the Skok.

[FishBaitThe2nd]

People at the mouth love to use bobber and eggs. You can park right on the side of the road in the usual spots that people fish. I hope your friend is using a trout rod, cause salmon aint open.

They are in the salt. Fishing hood canal outside the mouth of the Skok.

Woops, my mistake! Sorry

[losaturn]

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Anyone listen to the interview this morning with WDFW Phil Anderson, concerning the Puyallup and Skok?

[Shad_Eating_Grin]

People at the mouth love to use bobber and eggs. You can park right on the side of the road in the usual spots that people fish. I hope your friend is using a trout rod, cause salmon aint open.

They are in the salt. Fishing hood canal outside the mouth of the Skok.

So, the million dollar question is... where exactly is the boundary of the mouth of the Skok, which will define the closed area (the river) versus the open area (the salt area 12)?

The boundary is not identified in the fishing regs. The Skok delta is a big area with lots of channels and flats and dry/wet land. And the WAC is of no help with its vague definition of a mouth of a river:



WAC 220-56-105

Agency filings affecting this section




River mouth definitions.

When pertaining to angling, unless otherwise defined, any reference to the mouths of rivers or streams includes those waters of any river or stream, including sloughs and tributaries, upstream and inside of a line projected between the outermost uplands at the mouth. The term "outermost upland" means those lands not covered by water during an ordinary high tide. The following river mouths are hereby otherwise defined:












Abernathy Creek - Highway 4 Bridge.







Bear River - Highway 101 Bridge.







Bone River - Highway 101 Bridge.







Chambers Creek - Burlington Northern Railroad Bridge.







Chehalis River - Highway 101 Bridge in Aberdeen.







Chelan River - Railroad Bridge.







Cispus River - Posted markers at the Lewis County P.U.D. kayak launch, approximately 1.5 miles upstream from the confluence of the Cowlitz and Cispus rivers.







Cowlitz River - A line projected across the river between two fishing boundary markers set on each bank of the river approximately one-half mile downstream from the lowermost railroad bridge crossing the Cowlitz River.







Dakota Creek - A line from the outermost headland of the south bank to a house at 1285 Runge Avenue, Blaine, Washington, approximately one-quarter mile downstream from the Blaine Road Bridge.







Deschutes River - A line projected across the river 400 feet below the lower Tumwater Falls fish ladder.







Drano Lake - Highway 14 Bridge.







Duwamish River - First Avenue South Bridge.







Elk River - Highway 105 Bridge.







Entiat River - Highway 97 Bridge.







Hawk Creek (Lincoln County) - Falls at the Hawk Creek campground.







Hoquiam River - Highway 101 Bridge.







Humptulips River - Mouth of Jessie Slough.







Johns River - Highway 105 Bridge.







Kennedy Creek - An arc 500 yards east of the midpoint of the northbound Highway 101 Bridge.







Kettle River - Barstow Bridge.







Lake Washington Ship Canal - A line 400 feet west of the fish ladder at the Chittenden Locks.







Lewis River - A straight line running from a fishing boundary marker or from the outermost upland at the north shore of the Lewis River mouth, southerly across the Lewis River to a fishing boundary marker near the south shore.







McLane Creek - A line 100 feet upstream of and parallel to the southernmost Highway 101 Bridge.







Methow River - Highway 97 Bridge.







Naselle River - Highway 101 Bridge.







North Nemah River - Highway 101 Bridge.







Niawiakum River - Highway 101 Bridge.







Nisqually River - At the upstream end of Alder Lake, the mouth of the Nisqually River is the Highway 7 Bridge at Elbe.







North River - Highway 105 Bridge.







Palix River - Highway 101 Bridge.







Puyallup River - 11th Street Bridge.







Samish River - The Samish Island Bridge (Bayview-Edison Road).







Sammamish River - 68th Avenue NE Bridge.







Skagit River - A line projected from the terminus of the jetty with McGlinn Island to the white monument on the easterly end of Ika Island, then to a white monument on the westerly end of Craft Island, then to a white monument near the corner of the levee on the westerly side of Dry Slough, and then to a white monument on the easterly side of Tom Moore Slough.







Skamokawa Creek - Highway 4 Bridge.







Skookum Creek - A line 400 yards below the old railroad bridge.







Snohomish River - Burlington Northern Railway Bridges crossing main river and sloughs.







South Nemah River - Lynn Point 117 degrees true to the opposite shore.







Spokane River - State Route 25 Bridge.







Wallace River - The furthest downstream railroad bridge.







Washougal River - A straight line from the Crown Zellerbach pumphouse southeasterly across the Washougal River to the east end of the Highway 14 Bridge near the upper end of Lady Island.







Whatcom Creek - A line projected approximately 14 degrees true from the flashing light at the southwesterly end of the Port of Bellingham North Terminal to the southernmost point of the dike surrounding the Georgia Pacific treatment pond.







Little White Salmon River - At boundary markers on river bank downstream from the Little White Salmon National Fish Hatchery.







Willapa River - City of South Bend boat launch.







Wind River - Boundary line markers at mouth.







Yakima River - Highway 240 Bridge.

[natetreat]

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Anyone listen to the interview this morning with WDFW Phil Anderson, concerning the Puyallup and Skok?

I just did. It sounds like we'll have a season and regs that look a lot like they did last year. The reservation boundaries that they're talking about must be where the speculation of a tribal license comes into play. That would be a really sticky issue to raise, I'm not sure that WDFW has the final say on the ability to negotiate reservation boundaries and water rights, that would have to go to the courts or some other branch of government. It will be interesting to see what happens. If they do in fact have ownership of the river, as treaty tribes can do based upon their individual treaties, than a tribal license would make sense. Like the Quinault and the lake up there.

I don't like how they focused mainly on sport anglers as the perpetrators of misconduct on the puyallup. There are more sporties than there are tribal members, but some of those tribal members really exacerbate the situation when they go through there, sometimes to the point of nearly running over fishermen in their boats. Although the interview did say that we will have a season, so that's good news.

[natetreat]

As far as the mouth of the Skok, it would be safe to assume that outside of those side channels and the end of the delta. I'd wade out into the flats to fish it, or take a boat out to fish it. You could fish it from an inflatable or kayak even. I plan on taking my kayak out there at least once, I think that would be a blast!

[bcustom1]

Hate to beat a dead horse here and I understand at this point its a little off topic, but regarding access to the mouth of the Skokomish river.. Is it in fact just a matter of following Purdy cutoff to the lowest point and walking it down? Any info would be helpful, thanks as always.

[flinginpooh]

Depends which way you go. I'll assume you're gonna take 101 to purdy cutoff. Take that to end at hunters farms.make a right on 106 follow until you see it on your left. Google maps will help you find out the same info.

[bcustom1]

Right on, FP thanks. Trust me, I Google map everything. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't accessing any private land on my way down there.

[flinginpooh]

Well it looks like I was a little hasty when I first read the Tribal resolutions. Ill post them here for everyone to read. It looks like we get no king season only silver and chum. And you cant keep fish anyhow. Looks like its a catch and release only now. If you call up there hotline they tell you they don't know whats going on for sure because council hasn't told them yet. Well enough crap here it is.

FILING ORGANIZATION: SKOKOMISH TRIBE

REGULATION NUMBER: F#13-05
REGULATION MODIFIED: F#13-02; SECTION 3, 4 AND 5.
REGULATION SUPERSEDED: NONE

DATE ADOPTED: JULY 13, 2013

SPECIES: GAMEFISH
FISHERY TYPE: NON-MEMBER FISHING
ON/OFF RESERVATION: ON

CATCH AREA(S): 82G: ON RESERVATION PORTION OF THE
SKOKOMISH RIVER (THE FULL WIDTH)
FROM THE TACOMA PUBLIC UTILITIES
POWER LINES UPSTREAM TO THE BONNEVILLE
POWER ADMINISTRATIONS POWER LINES

EFFECTIVE DATES: OPEN: JUNE 1, 2013 TO JULY 31, 2013
CLOSED: AUGUST 1, 2013 TO SEPTEMBER 30, 2013
OPEN: OCTOBER 1, 2013 TO DECEMBER 15, 2013.

LEGAL GEAR: HOOK AND LINE ONLY: CATCH AND RELEASE ONLY
(NON RETENTION FISHERY) AS PER THE SKOKOMISH
TRIBE REGULATION F#13-02, SECTION 3; AND
WDFW'S FISH WASHINGTON-WASHINGTON SPORT
FISHING RULES PAMPHLET EFFECTIVE MAY 1, 2013
TO APRIL 30, 2014.

OTHER RESTRICTIONS: 1) ALL NON-MEMBER FISHERS ARE REQUIRED TO
OBTAIN A SKOKOMISH INDIAN TRIBE'S 2013 ANNUAL
ON-RESERVATION NON-MEMBER FISHING PERMIT
AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE AT SKOKOMISH INDIAN
TRIBAL ENTERPRISES, INC.
2) ALL NON-MEMBER FISHERS MUST DISPLAY A NON-MEMBER
FISHING PERMIT AT ALL TIMES WHILE FISHING.
3) ALL SALMONIDS AND NON-SALMONIDS MUST BE
RELEASED.
4) ANTI-SNAGGING RULE: IT IS ILLEGAL TO
POSSESS ANY SALMON OR FISH HOOKED
ANYWHERE OTHER THAN INSIDE THE MOUTH OR
ON THE HEAD.
5) ALL STEELHEAD AND OTHER SALMON MUST BE
RELEASED INTO THE RIVER UNHARMED.

ADDITIONALLY: NON-MEMBER FISHERS MUST COMPLY WITH THE RULES SET
FORTH IN THE FISH WASHINGTON-WASHINGTON SPORT
FISHING RULES PAMPHLET EFFECTIVE MAY 1, 2013
TO APRIL 30, 2014. HOWEVER THAT SHALL NOT LIMIT
IN ANY WAY THE NON-MEMBER FISHERS' OBLIGATIONS
SET FORTH IN THE SKOKOMISH INDIAN TRIBE'S 2013 ANNUAL
ON-RESERVATION NON-MEMBER FISHING PERMIT TERMS
AND CONDITIONS AND/OR IN THE ANNUAL ON-RESERVATION
NON-MEMBER FISHING PERMIT REGULATION F#13-02.

JUSTIFICATIONS: PROVIDE A ON-RESERVATION NON-MEMBER FISHERY FOR
THE HARVEST OF AVAILABLE GAMEFISH SPECIES.

SKOKOMISH FISHERIES
N.541 TRIBAL CENTER ROAD
SKOKOMISH NATION, WA 98584

[natetreat]

That's not the regs. There is no way. That's what they're saying in the interim for fishing on tribal land until negotiations are complete.

[flinginpooh]

There is other parts to this. A policy for the non tribal fishing card. It talks about being prosecuted by tribal for not following rules etc... Tribal is like federal. It holds a lot more sting then state and local law enforcement. Hopefully your right but I think thanks to the way the Asian connection was fishing the past few years the skok will be shut down for kings. If anyone has seen the circus they put on towards the mouth even had girls scouting for them it was like organized snagging at its finest. They did get caught they did get ticketed but its crap like this that puts everyone in a hard place. Fishbaits buds, another fine example of how not to fish. They should have fenced off that section and put no fishing signs up long ago. They "hunters farms" however let it happen. Not to mention the lack of enforcement at that hole. If a gamie stood there for 4 hours they would need another ticket book in no time. That might cause the slap happy nation to take there asses back home. Get off the river. Im sure we would be paying the tickets anyhow since most of them don't have jobs. Anyways, I hope something good does happen. That the puke does open up, the skok opens, and the fat black Puyallup that likes to run his boat up onto people and prop them does that to me again. That's a serious thing considering the pump could suck up a rock and toss it out wherever its aimed. Wonder how thick the side of that motor is. My guess is not very.

[FishBaitThe2nd]

I learned something good today from Warden Jewitt.
He says the information I learned about the tribal pass, is all false. The people I got my information from, regarding the pass, all work for the tribe/are in the tribe.

[c_saeteurn]

thats bs if thats what it is, We just gotta wait til thursday to see what really is gonna happen.

[Brat Bonker]

The suspense is KILLING ME!!!