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I was just wondering if it is appropriate to use a swivel (snap swivel) in front of any bass baits, example being a crankbait or anything else that is moving and shaking. This year i've almost exclusively bass fished. I have one heck of a time with finding my line has become extemley twisted. Of course a swivel when your throwing trout spinners keeps your line from being twisted. I am using P-line which I think most people on here seem to agree is a descent (fluorocarbon line)
and yes, the line was spun correctly on the reel. It is so bad that sometimes when I throw a cast... the crainkbait will go maybe 20', and then the line coming off the reel goes into a birds nest because it massively twisted.
Oh yeah, i should mention this is a spinning reel.

I don't use swivels at all, unless on a c-rig. I've heard of some people using them on drop shot rigs to eliminate the twisting. If you use it on a crankbait, you'll ruin the action.

Are you switching from some sort of plastic to crankbait when fishing. If you can, keep applications such as plastics on one rig and crankbaits/spinnerbaits on the other.

If you don't want to change your line, you'll need to be on your boat and let all your line out while trolling, then let it do what it needs to do and reel it in.

One of P-lines draw back is it has a little memory. It'll take time for the line to get conditioned to your reel.

I don't use the swivel for bass. But I'm sure it can be used. There are some baits that work better with tieing to your lure. If you change up quite a bit the swivel may work out better for ya.

kzoo wrote:I don't use swivels at all, unless on a c-rig. I've heard of some people using them on drop shot rigs to eliminate the twisting. If you use it on a crankbait, you'll ruin the action.

Are you switching from some sort of plastic to crankbait when fishing. If you can, keep applications such as plastics on one rig and crankbaits/spinnerbaits on the other.

If you don't want to change your line, you'll need to be on your boat and let all your line out while trolling, then let it do what it needs to do and reel it in.

One of P-lines draw back is it has a little memory. It'll take time for the line to get conditioned to your reel.

Well said kzoo

kzoo wrote:I don't use swivels at all, unless on a c-rig. I've heard of some people using them on drop shot rigs to eliminate the twisting. If you use it on a crankbait, you'll ruin the action.

Are you switching from some sort of plastic to crankbait when fishing. If you can, keep applications such as plastics on one rig and crankbaits/spinnerbaits on the other.

If you don't want to change your line, you'll need to be on your boat and let all your line out while trolling, then let it do what it needs to do and reel it in.

One of P-lines draw back is it has a little memory. It'll take time for the line to get conditioned to your reel.

Great response Kzoo. Spoken like a true Pro.
Can't add much more to that then P-Line does put out a line that has a lower memory than the others.


I have this on my D-Shot rig in 6lb.

I personally don't use a swivel on any of my set-ups. Unless I'm troutn.



fishnislife

fishnislife wrote:

kzoo wrote:I don't use swivels at all, unless on a c-rig. I've heard of some people using them on drop shot rigs to eliminate the twisting. If you use it on a crankbait, you'll ruin the action.

Are you switching from some sort of plastic to crankbait when fishing. If you can, keep applications such as plastics on one rig and crankbaits/spinnerbaits on the other.

If you don't want to change your line, you'll need to be on your boat and let all your line out while trolling, then let it do what it needs to do and reel it in.

One of P-lines draw back is it has a little memory. It'll take time for the line to get conditioned to your reel.

Great response Kzoo. Spoken like a true Pro.
Can't add much more to that then P-Line does put out a line that has a lower memory than the others.


I have this on my D-Shot rig in 6lb.

I personally don't use a swivel on any of my set-ups. Unless I'm troutn.



fishnislife

Hmm... 10lb line with a .014" diameter? And they say it's "ultra thin"?

Um... no. That's marketing BS! :shaking:

10 lb Trilene sensation is only .011"


And 14lb Vanish is only .013"

I have been using P-LINE for 10 years now , We have a strange love hate kinda relationship .. I love how strong the line is , i hate the memory it has ... But none the less i have alot of confidence in it .. I just started using Gamma line on my baitcaster and so far this season i havent found anything bad to say about it ..


Keep in mind that P-LINE CX is better suited for spinning reel than P-LINE CXX (TOO STIFF) For spinning reels ..


BBD

quadradomus wrote:I was just wondering if it is appropriate to use a swivel (snap swivel) in front of any bass baits, example being a crankbait or anything else that is moving and shaking. This year i've almost exclusively bass fished. I have one heck of a time with finding my line has become extemley twisted. Of course a swivel when your throwing trout spinners keeps your line from being twisted. I am using P-line which I think most people on here seem to agree is a descent (fluorocarbon line)
and yes, the line was spun correctly on the reel. It is so bad that sometimes when I throw a cast... the crainkbait will go maybe 20', and then the line coming off the reel goes into a birds nest because it massively twisted.
Oh yeah, i should mention this is a spinning reel.

That is an inherent trait of Stiff FC lines. It just wants to "jump" off of the spool. There are 3 possible solutions:

1) Do not fill the spool to full capacity to compensate for the line jumping off. (Don't like this one)
2) Use a limper FC line. I use Seaguar Invizx and this line is nearly as limp as Trilene XL. I can put the entire 200 yds. onto a size 20 spool. I use 6# BTW.
3) Use a Shimano spinning reel in the Symetre class or better. Maybe the reels lower on the Shimano rung have this ability also, but there are washers you can add to change the shape that the reel will lay the line onto the spool and thus reduce the line jumping off. Please refer to manual for greater detail. Adjusting the washer count will enable the reel to place more line toward the top of the spool or the bottom of the spool. I think the latter is the better choice for stiff FC line.


Lastly, line twist is inherent in spinning reels, and even the better reels will still give you line twist. It's just the nature of the beast, but steps can be taken to minimize twist.

I stopped using CX Premium after I used Invizx.

Using snap swivels can be risky. They can actually pop open when the lure hits the water. I've lost a few lures this way. It is uncommon but definitely a possibility. I tend to use them when I am fishing inline spinners, spoons, and when I get too lazy.

Vanish = crap line....

JWerner wrote:Vanish = crap line....

I'm not a big fan either.

islandbass wrote:

quadradomus wrote:I was just wondering if it is appropriate to use a swivel (snap swivel) in front of any bass baits, example being a crankbait or anything else that is moving and shaking. This year i've almost exclusively bass fished. I have one heck of a time with finding my line has become extemley twisted. Of course a swivel when your throwing trout spinners keeps your line from being twisted. I am using P-line which I think most people on here seem to agree is a descent (fluorocarbon line)
and yes, the line was spun correctly on the reel. It is so bad that sometimes when I throw a cast... the crainkbait will go maybe 20', and then the line coming off the reel goes into a birds nest because it massively twisted.
Oh yeah, i should mention this is a spinning reel.

That is an inherent trait of Stiff FC lines. It just wants to "jump" off of the spool. There are 3 possible solutions:

1) Do not fill the spool to full capacity to compensate for the line jumping off. (Don't like this one)
2) Use a limper FC line. I use Seaguar Invizx and this line is nearly as limp as Trilene XL. I can put the entire 200 yds. onto a size 20 spool. I use 6# BTW.
3) Use a Shimano spinning reel in the Symetre class or better. Maybe the reels lower on the Shimano rung have this ability also, but there are washers you can add to change the shape that the reel will lay the line onto the spool and thus reduce the line jumping off. Please refer to manual for greater detail. Adjusting the washer count will enable the reel to place more line toward the top of the spool or the bottom of the spool. I think the latter is the better choice for stiff FC line.


Lastly, line twist is inherent in spinning reels, and even the better reels will still give you line twist. It's just the nature of the beast, but steps can be taken to minimize twist.

I stopped using CX Premium after I used Invizx.

Using snap swivels can be risky. They can actually pop open when the lure hits the water. I've lost a few lures this way. It is uncommon but definitely a possibility. I tend to use them when I am fishing inline spinners, spoons, and when I get too lazy.

Also, if you are using flourocarbon, you really don't need it for your mainline. Use it just for your leader, if you think the fish are line shy.

I'll put my vote in for Vanish being horrid. Also another good way to eliminate line twist on a spinning reel is to put it somewhere in your garage and go out and buy a nice baitcaster and spool that bad boy up and start using it. You'll find your spinning setup gets a lot less line twist that way.

I saw a seminar a few years back by Jeff Boyer, who is a local bass pro. He uses the duo lock snaps on his crankbaits. Not the whole swivel with ball bearing, but just the snap part. He has qualified for one, maybe two Bassmaster's Classics, so he knows what he is doing. I personally don't use any snaps or swivels, but it can be done with good results. Try both ways and determine for yourself which is best for you. Good luck.

Nik wrote:I'll put my vote in for Vanish being horrid. Also another good way to eliminate line twist on a spinning reel is to put it somewhere in your garage and go out and buy a nice baitcaster and spool that bad boy up and start using it. You'll find your spinning setup gets a lot less line twist that way.

Yeah, my experience with Vanish hasn't been very favorable. It definitely isn't very "manageable".

It's OK for leaders, but knot strength can be a problem. It depends on the which knot you are trying to use. I have found that vanish tends to cut itself quite easily.

Trilene sensation is awesome! It's thin, has low stretch, great knot strength, good transparency (virtually invisible underwater), and low memory. :thumleft:

with any terminal tackle i would suggest going with quality over affordability. pick a company with a proven track record.

as with everything price often dictates quality. the lower you go down the scale, chance are... you are just adding another point of failure.

if you are going to go with a snap, using something in excess of 50lbs. they will take a beating. repeated opening and closing will later take a toll, so change them out as you see fit.

quadradomus wrote:
I was just wondering if it is appropriate to use a swivel (snap swivel) in front of any bass baits, example being a crankbait or anything else that is moving and shaking. This year i've almost exclusively bass fished. I have one heck of a time with finding my line has become extemley twisted. Of course a swivel when your throwing trout spinners keeps your line from being twisted. I am using P-line which I think most people on here seem to agree is a descent (fluorocarbon line)
and yes, the line was spun correctly on the reel. It is so bad that sometimes when I throw a cast... the crainkbait will go maybe 20', and then the line coming off the reel goes into a birds nest because it massively twisted.
Oh yeah, i should mention this is a spinning reel.



That is an inherent trait of Stiff FC lines. It just wants to "jump" off of the spool. There are 3 possible solutions:

1) Do not fill the spool to full capacity to compensate for the line jumping off. (Don't like this one)
2) Use a limper FC line. I use Seaguar Invizx and this line is nearly as limp as Trilene XL. I can put the entire 200 yds. onto a size 20 spool. I use 6# BTW.
3) Use a Shimano spinning reel in the Symetre class or better. Maybe the reels lower on the Shimano rung have this ability also, but there are washers you can add to change the shape that the reel will lay the line onto the spool and thus reduce the line jumping off. Please refer to manual for greater detail. Adjusting the washer count will enable the reel to place more line toward the top of the spool or the bottom of the spool. I think the latter is the better choice for stiff FC line.


Lastly, line twist is inherent in spinning reels, and even the better reels will still give you line twist. It's just the nature of the beast, but steps can be taken to minimize twist.

I stopped using CX Premium after I used Invizx.

Using snap swivels can be risky. They can actually pop open when the lure hits the water. I've lost a few lures this way. It is uncommon but definitely a possibility. I tend to use them when I am fishing inline spinners, spoons, and when I get




Personally I wouldn't use a swivel on my cranks because it die s mess up the action it is just an easier way to change lures. The best bet is not to over spool your reel just keep it simple and fish on good luck.